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James and the Philly Mag Top 50

POSTED: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:51 PM
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Philly Mag's 50 Best Places to Eat list is something that restaurateurs, chefs and eaters alike flip through as soon as it hits the racks. We want to know our placement; we want to know who landed No. 1 (this year it was Blackfish); and we want to know where to eat next. Certain restaurants have been mainstays on the Top 10 for the past few years — James (824 S. Eighth St.) being one of them. Owned and operated by Kristina and Jim Burke, the Italian Market restaurant is often spoken of as one of the most refined and progressive establishments out there. So, how does a place ranked No. 6 in 2008 and No. 3 in 2009 go unmentioned on the most current list? Philly Mag lays it all out for us here, reminding readers that dining is "inescapably subjective" — and it most certainly is. (The magazine builds the list using a compilation of numeric scores culled from anonymous meals.) The Burkes seem to be taking the snub in stride, addressing it with a little deal — through Jan. 23, they're offering supporters a free beer if they drop by with a copy of the Top 50 issue. "As professionals, we do not expect to be given the top ranking based on previous success," Kristina tells Meal Ticket. "However, we continue to stay on the top of our game daily." Kristina, who's "certainly not pouting" about the list, says she's confident James' clientele will not dissipate based on their exclusion; she credits the importance of PR (the restaurant does not use a publicist) for the most visible restaurants, though Philly Mag reminds us that their "one guiding principle" of the list is whether or not a restaurant "fulfills its promise to diners." Staying in the realm of subjectivity, another guideline is how "of the moment" an establishment is. Philly Mag recognizes that the spirit of a restaurant in a larger scope of trend is not easy to calculate, and this seems to be the overarching dilemma: How, exactly, is "the latest thing" determined in Philly's ever-expanding world of restaurant concepts? Readers, chefs, everyone — what do you think? What qualifies/quantifies a restaurant's ranking in one of these lists? Do these lists matter when you're deciding where to eat? Leave your opinions in the comments.

bizz
Posted 2011-01-12 14:42:16
I would just be happy if they would publish the list in a regular web article, or at least make the slideshow work...

alex
Posted 2011-01-12 14:41:52
ok.. i'll bite on your comment trolling :)

The problem is not with a list, the problem is that if you do a list like philly mag does it--of the 50 best restaurants in philly each year--forty or so of them are going to be about the same..and it's pretty tough to make that interesting. So I definitely think that the problem isn't with a list, it's with this list. Philly Mag needs readers, obviously, and issues with food on the cover sell better than anything else, so that's great, but it's obviously and transparently unserious to have Blackfish #1 and Oyster House and Bistrot in the top-10. And that's a disservice to readers, but worse it does a huge disservice to chefs and restaurateurs who are operating at pretty thin margins.

Similarly, I realize that Vetri has its detractors (although I'm not sure why), but no one actually would rank it one spot below Blackfish, right? Like if you hate Vetri, it wouldn't even be on your top-50 because it's too expensive, but if you love Vetri, then nothing else in Philly is really close--it's a whole other level of food, price, experience, whatever. In other words, no one actually thinks Vetri is a slightly worse restaurant to eat at than Blackfish...it's either not worth it at all, or it's WAY WAY better.

Finally, I'd just like to note that framing the list as "the 50 best places to eat at right now" is a huge cop-out. And Fond should be higher. 

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MellodyBrew
Posted 2011-01-12 14:03:59
Lists never have a happy ending (see Schindlers, McCarthy, Billboard Top 20.)

Drew Lazor
Posted 2011-01-12 14:00:21
I'm a bit torn when it comes to these listy things. On one hand, they encourage a lot of debate and opinion-sharing, which I think is a great thing for the food scene. On the other, I find it difficult to grasp the idea that somewhere like a quaint suburban BYOB can ostensibly be held to the same operational standards as a bustling Center City restaurant, and that one can definitively be ranked better than the other.

herman
Posted 2011-01-12 23:00:12
The problem is not with this or any list...the problem is how much power people (read:chefs/restaurateurs as well as the dining public) give them. It is true that in real life a restaurant's business can be damaged as well as enhanced by in/exclusion, good/bad placement on any particular list. But it is incredibly disingenuous for any incessantly blogging, tweeting, publicity whoring chef/restaurateur to complain about the effect of this kind of publicity on their business!!!
There was a time when chefs were found in the kitchen, COOKING! Restaurateurs were found in the dining room looking after their guests and qualified reviewers had their say. An unfavorable review was met with determination to do a better job and ranting and raving was done in private because to do otherwise, was UNPROFESSIONAL!
The folks from James are clearly pouting and whining. However I give them credit for making a marketing op out of this situation. Good business move! James is a fine restaurant, with a loyal clientele. I find it hard to believe their business will suffer even a little bit as a result of being left off this year's list. As for future business, a good restaurant will work even harder to "earn" the business of those that are not already among their customers.
 As for the Vetri example, I believe Marc himself, would disagree with you. Read his comments on his recent dinner at Le Bec Fin. And keep in mind that Vetri has been doing its' thing for quite some time now, and while I personally favor Vetri's more classic style, Blackfish is certainly more "of the moment", the capturing of which was the mission of the Philly Mag list. It is not a cop-out at all to title the list "The 50 Best Places to Eat Right Now"! After all, right now is all that really matters to generation: tweetblogfacebooksocialnetwoking!! You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

danya
Posted 2011-01-12 16:24:14
THIS!

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Posted 2011-01-17 17:42:48
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