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Archive: October, 2009
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I'm outta here ⦠six hours, 40 minutes left.
Meanwhile, our erstwhile mayor is offering these reassuring assurances: "Well, today is Friday. The parties have been talking. When parties are talking, it's a much more positive sign than when
they're not."
Well, it's too late to salvage this fiasco now, much too late to save the city from national embarrassment. Game time is less than 5 hours away. People who are going to the game tonight are already sorting out their alternate transportation plans. Nobody in their right mind is going to trust the union not to strand them at the ballpark at this late hour. And people who spent hundreds of dollars on World Series tickets may not be able to get there tonight. To the TWU members: I hope you are proud of yourselves. And I hope you don't get a penny. I think they should fire every worthless one of you who thought it was a good idea to humiliate this city nationally to get what you want.
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The union and SEPTA won't meet for another couple of hours — and really, what's the rush? — by Gov. Ed Rendell has inserted himself into things, telling the Daily News that the union should suck it up through the weekend.
"This is a great opportunity for the city to shine in these next three days," Rendell said of the series, with games scheduled at Citizens Bank Park tomorrow, Sunday and Monday. "It's not like the union can get leverage by doing this because the leverage goes away in three days. By the time the weekend is over, the leverage is gone. All they do is give the city a little bit of a black eye."
Yeah, I know ⦠stating the obvious.
But here's the thing: If SEPTA doesn't roll over — which I kind of doubt; nobody likes to be dicked around like this — what happens? The TWU could strike, and reap (deservedly so) the lion's share of the blame if shit goes south this weekend — and then, maybe, have to deal legislation that would force transit contracts into arbitration and prohibit strikes, as is the case with cops and firefighters, because I promise you that Harrisburg will not be amused.
Were I a betting man, however — and hey, I am — I'd wager that all of this posturing is just that, posturing. Sometime between now and midnight, SEPTA and union officials will announce some sort of compromise, or union officials will say that, in their beneficence, they've decided to extend negotiations and work through the weekend, because they love their city and they're team players and some other such pabulum. Maybe I'm green in this part of the world, but I can't see the TWU being bat-shit crazy enough to go through with it. And I have to imagine that SEPTA officials know they're bluffing.
We'll see how accurate my prognostication skills are in about six hours and 40 minutes.
[...] to be that guy or anything, but I pretty much called it: When the chips were down, TWU declined to go on strike and fuck up the city's transportation [...]
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Friday: James Spooner and Matthew Morgan's idea for the Afro-Punk fest came out of their 2003 doc, which is apt because your Mischief Night is going to be movie-themed. In addition to hitting up music/lit/sometimes sports fest, you can check out Lars Von Trier's Antichrist, which I guarantee will show you more than any Saw movie could hope to do. Or go for the OG of horror, Nosferatu, accompanied by the lovely former covergirl T. Desiree Hines (and had a cameo on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia last night!).
Saturday: Please, like Mama Omnibus even needs to tell you what day today is. Of course, Rodney Anonymous and the Dead Milkmen hold it down tonight at the Troc. Read his pre-show diary. Seriously. It's beyond hilarious. But don't forget Holly and Lauren's suggestions, like Revival Burlesque or the Day of the Dead Festival. Erin's got some foodie suggestions over on Meal Ticket as well, and Pat's got Making Time's Halloween for you over in Music.
Sunday: But Halloween doesn't have to end when November starts. Josh Middleton has the Name that Tune lowdown in Critical Mass' Art Phag, not to mention the darker than the darkest dark sounds of Dethklok and Mastodon hitting the Electric Factory (study up by reading A.D. Amorosi's interview with Dethkok creator Brendon Smalls). Mama gets it if this ghoulish weekend tuckered you out so how about a little Dia de Los Muertos menu from Xochitl.
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Governor Ed Rendell says he expects a clause in the pending table game legislation — one that would allow PA casinos to extend credit to their customers, whether they're playing table games or just slots — to die before reaching his desk. In a phone conference today, Rendell referred to that clause and others as "ancillary," and said, "I think a lot of that stuff is going to go out of the bills before it gets to me." Pressed on the issue of casino credit specifically, Rendell said, "I don't think that will survive the final bill — but if it did, I would have to sign it. That's not a core issue for me." Listen to the exchange here: [audio:http://stream.citypaper.net/music/edrendell_tablegames_30oct09.mp3]
The General Assembly is supposed to reconvene on Monday, Nov. 9 to settle the issue. Meanwhile, we noticed that today's Inquirer editorialized against the credit clause:
Even when Pennsylvania's flawed gaming bill was passed in the dark of night in 2004, the legislature had enough sense to prohibit the extension of in-store credit. Why back off now? The gaming industry says it needs to be able to provide credit to the high rollers expected once the slots parlors morph. But the credit access will also be there for problem gamblers and those who can least afford it. That's especially troubling in Philadelphia, where about a quarter of the population lives in poverty and many are on the edge.
Casino can easily fix everything. I am sure because gaming industry is growing continuously.
Interesting. And in today's Post-Gazette, Dan Onorato (county executive for Allegheny County/Pittsburgh) proposed using the revenue from table games to pay for Pittsburgh libraries (since we are being forced to close so many, due to declining county revenues). Dan Onorato is running for Governor of Pennsylvania. They think casinos will fix everything. Oops...forgot to say great post! Looking forward to your next one.
Interesting. And in today's Post-Gazette, Dan Onorato (county executive for Allegheny County/Pittsburgh) proposed using the revenue from table games to pay for Pittsburgh libraries (since we are being forced to close so many, due to declining county revenues). Dan Onorato is running for Governor of Pennsylvania. They think casinos will fix everything.
[...] AUDIO: Rendell suggests casino credit will die, concedes itâs not a ‘core issue’…... [...]
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Oh, awesome! Union negotiators have postponed talks until 5:30 this afternoon — six hours and 31 minutes before the strike deadline. SEPTA blames the delay on the union; the union isn't talking. Is the union is overselling its hand with this rather obvious ploy? The closer the strike gets, the more pressure SEPTA comes under to get something, anything, ironed out before all hell breaks loose (translation: bending over and giving the union whatever it wants). Then again, walking out of negotiations in the eleventh hour when you're already demanding raises and benefit increases while everyone else is dodging pink slips might not be the best way to engender public sympathy.
11 hours, 47 minutes to go.
I think that they should stay out. No matter what. Then get replaced. At least that would teach the rest of the unions that there's a limit even in Philadelphia.
I want to weigh in briefly to defend John in the face of so much anti-labor sentiment. Like him, I think it's really disappointing (if typical) that the anger is all directed towards one half of the negotiations. Why not ask, "How dare SEPTA put the daily functioning of the city at risk by refusing to offer the union a good contract?" Why does the blame have to always fall on the union? Working people are uniting to demand a solidly middle class wage and benefits. Maybe if other working people supported their demands -- in other countries they have sympathy strikes!!! -- the American middle class wouldn't be so steadily disappearing. Amie's point is well taken, meanwhile. A strike will have the worst effect on the poor. I work for a non-profit too that works primarily with people living at or below the poverty line. The strike will cripple our programing as almost none of our clients will have any way to get to our center city location. This is something that we'll all find very frustrating. Me, I teach an Intro to Computers class to adults on the far end of the digital divide (NOT old people -- I'm talking about middle age parents who've never touched a computer in their lives). I have no desire to have the class interrupted, but I have to believe that if we had a more unified and supported (and, yes, less corrupt) labor movement in this country, we wouldn't have the digital divide in the first place. I have to believe that because the only alternative appears to be to accept inequality and gripe about those who want a more equitable society. I recommend this book to don't believe that: http://thenewpress.org/index.php?option=com_title&task=view_title&metaproductid=1091
Let's remember: this isn't a fatcat corporation with a $10 million dollar-a-year CEO they're striking against, a CEO who's getting a 20% a year raise while the workers are asked to tighten their belts. I'd have more sympathy for that. This is a *public* transit system. It's paid for by the city, state and federal government. 60% of its operating costs are paid for by our taxes, not the system's revenue. And even with that enormous subsidy, we're paying some of the highest fares in the country. And they're striking, because $50K isn't enough money to sit on your butt all day and be rude to the people who pay your salaries?
John: If you're the main provider of a family of, say, 2, $30k - $50k a year as a bus driver isn't too bad, especially if your wife works full time and you only have one kid. If you have a bigger family, no one else working.... yes, its a problem, and it would be smart to look for another job at that point or something. Otherwise, $50k+ over 4 years isn't bad. My hourly wage is LESS than a bus driver, and that's with a degree, experience, and me working my fingers to the bone. I won't disclose how much I make a year or per hour, but I will say I pay $15 from each paycheck for MY health insurance, and its about $500 for the year. What SEPTA is offering is fair, ESPECIALLY considering how hard it is to do business right now for everyone. Talk to the 10.7% of people in this city without a job. Trust me, what SEPTA offers is paradise. At the same time, its a contract over 4 years and would be easy to re-negotiate so that it could be adjusted again. And, yes, IT'S THE UNION FAULT THIS TIME THEY'RE GOING ON STRIKE. Why? Because Willie Brown waited 7 MONTHS to call for a strike vote. He's used money, UNION MONEY, to pay for Newspaper and Television ads to complain about how SEPTA doesn't want to give them everything they want, despite not sitting down to talk to them since March. TWU 234 has a notorious history of holding Philadelphia hostage to get whatever they want. The union is practically a bully. We all know SEPTA isn't great, but you can't blame management for everything. When you have to deal with rude and mean bus drivers from time to time, it has an effect.
Also, I hate how they, and others are saying, "Come on, man, what about solidarity and workers rights? These fat cat bankers are getting all the money, that isn't right!" You know what, you're right. It isn't right that fat cats are getting tons of cash and that companies are cutting pay and benefits. It's terrible. Then again, most companies don't allow you to collect two salaries if you get disabled and let you work as a cashier, and still get a raise. Most people don't have a contract that guarantees them an annual raise no matter what or the chance not to get laid off. Most people have to work hard to get a raise, and most people have to do their best to work hard and stay ahead.
No seriously, fuck you John. Fuck you and your high and mighty attitude. Don't criticize what I have the capacity to do or not do. Don't tell me I'm throwing a temper tantrum - I'm just angry. Have you even addressed my worries as a social worker who has to wonder how my clients will fare next week if they can't get to the one place where they or their children consistently feel safe? Or family who depend on taking the bus up to visit their sick grandparents - or the health care workers that serve them? Crippling a transportation system is no laughing matter for the people who depend on it for their lives. And you really have to be on another planet if you think Philadelphians are sympathetic to TWU.
Sorry, John...but you sound like someone brainwashed by the idea that Labor Unions can do no wrong. The TWU is wrong here. They may be acting under the guise of doing this for the little people but this is nothing more than a money push. You're not going to get my sympathy because someone making anywhere from $14.50-$24.50 an hour isn't going to get a raise for the next two years and will only get a 2% raise the two years after that. You can't make me feel sorry for someone who is not paying ANYTHING for fantastic health insurance when suddenly they're being "forced" to pay 1% of their paycheck for it. I have a mother in law who has been out of work for 18 months and is paying $575/month for insurance. Pardon me if I don't cry for a spoiled transit worker who doesn't like having to pay 1/50th of that amount. No matter what you want to convince yourself, a majority of Philadelphians DO NOT support this strike. I'll bet a number of SEPTA workers don't want to strike either, but the union is not giving them a choice.
Raises should be based on positive performance reviews, not just because you've been there another year. You could have been just taking up space, doing the bare minimum. Raises should not be just guaranteed-they are to ensure that people are taking their job seriously and serving their clients to the best of their ability. Also, even paying 4% towards health insurance is cheap-what are they complaining about. I am going to lose my job if I can't get to work. There are millions unemployed in the US right now. Fire them all-I bet there would be a line 100 miles long for people willing to work for what they won't accept right now. This is greedy, insensitive and just down-right selfish!
Here's another thing. The TWU workers aren't doing Philadelphians any favors with this strike. Do you honestly believe that by holding out to get what they "deserve" will have a positive affect on other workers (non-union or otherwise) throughout the region? Positivley not! No other occupation is going to say "Hmm, look at what SEPTA just did. Maybe we too can get the same deal!" If anything it will have an adverse effect of the workers of the region because the city and the state will have to find some other way to make up for the cash flow differential it will cost to pay for these raises and the full insurance premiums. And you know where that will come from? Taxes. Taxes on wages and taxes on items that Philadelphians buy. So don't expect me to thank SEPTA for going on strike because it won't mean anything about another penny in my pocket.
Here are 18 more Philadelphians who don't support SEPTA, John. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20091026_Talks_underway_to_avert_SEPTA_strike.html Still think a majority will support the strike?
Amie, I'm sorry if you've taken some offense to my comments. Understand though I'm responding to quite a number of fairly offensive remarks about the union (of which I have absolutely no relation). Criticisms of the union taking a "me me me" attitude, that they're throwing "temper tantrums," arguments that they should be "glad they still have a job." Your comments weren't quite so bad, but all three of you have expressed a real hostility to this union and the idea of a strike. Regarding the effect of strikes on the rest of the population, frankly ALL strikes have an impact on society. Either you support the right to strike or you complain every time it happens or has an impact on your life. Unfortunately it is almost always the union that gets blamed for the strike, even though clearly the company's refusal to make a more reasonable offer is as much a part of the problem as anything. The union has been working without a contract for quite a while now. Why can't people put the blame on SEPTA? When teachers go on strike we're told that the teachers aren't thinking of the children or the parents who have to take off work to babysit. Or when transit workers go on strike then they're keeping people from getting to their jobs or their sick grandmothers. These are all issues yes, but the real problem is that service workers in this country are underpaid and underappreciated. You should channel your hostility towards SEPTA.
>No other occupation is going to say ÂHmm, look at what SEPTA just did. Maybe we too can get the same deal! Heh... how do you think the labor movement in the 1930s exploded the way it did. For anyone interested, here's a short summary by TWU on why they might strike: http://www.twulocal234.com/moving.html
>YouÂre not going to get my sympathy because someone making anywhere from $14.50-$24.50 an hour isnÂt going to get a raise for the next two years and will only get a 2% raise the two years after that. You canÂt make me feel sorry for someone who is not paying ANYTHING for fantastic health insurance when suddenly theyÂre being Âforced to pay 1% of their paycheck for it. Marc, $14.50-$24.50 per hour isn't that great especially if you're a major provider for a family. And they're being told to increase the amount of they pay for their health insurance from 1% to 4%. From $10 per week to $40 per week (from $500 to $2000 per year), nothing at all to slouch at. The pay increases SEPTA is offering won't allow the workers to keep up with the cost of living. All this amounts to CUTS against these workers.
>Still think a majority will support the strike? Marc, internet forums like these have never been a good representation of the views of the broader population. I've followed enough transit strikes in my day - from Philly to NY to elsewhere - to know that there will always be a large number who are sympathetic, and often a majority.
Hey people, don't be so cold-hearted. You three are the ones throwing the temper tantrums. No one should have to suffer through health care cuts. It's absolutely ridiculous to criticize these workers for wanting to do something to stop SEPTA from imposing these cuts on them. Sounds to me like the people who are "me, me, me" are the ones telling SEPTA workers to suck it up and accept whatever SEPTA offers. Despite what these comments might suggest I'm going to guess that a majority of Philadelphians will be sympathetic to a strike, as they typically are. Most people who are facing cutbacks themselves will be smart enough to appreciate that others are trying to do something about it. I don't think too many people are happy about these cuts, but assume they don't have any choice. The SEPTA workers seem to feel differently. Good for them.
John, I respect your views regarding the union's right to strike as it is one of the many liberties that set America apart from other countries and lends itself to our reputation for freedom but I have to disagree with a number of the points you make. For one, rather than this "me me me" mentality the union workers seem to have adopted (and that is running rampant throughout businesses and organizations of all kinds across the country) they should, instead, be willing to make the sacrifice of smaller pay increases for a little while... at least until the country is fully back on its feet. As for the chance that SEPTA workers may be "forced" to contribute 1 percent to their health insurance premiums, that's peanuts! They really need to quit their bitching about that one and be thankful they are given the chance to have free or almost free healthcare to begin with... especially given the startling number of Americans who pay nearly half their paychecks for halfway decent care or those who don't have it at all. Frankly, I think the SEPTA workers are being EXTREMELY selfish with this whole strike business. The MILLIONS of SEPTA users in Philadelphia and the surrounding towns and cities in both Pennsylvania and New Jersey shouldn't have to suffer and have their lives inconvenienced just because SEPTA workers are throwing a temper tantrum.
I'm completely in favor of the union going on strike if it chooses. People should defend a union's right to strike, *especially* at a time when jobs, wages and our health care are so often under attack. SEPTA is demanding its workers increase the amount it pays towards health care. People already have to pay too much for crummy health care. And SEPTA is offering practically nothing in the way of pay raises over the next four years. Recession or not (aren't we being told the recession is over?), workers still deserve to earn wage increases that keep up with cost of living, at the very least. The bankers have been given hundreds and hundreds of billions in bailouts (and executive bonuses). Huge sums of money are still going towards funding two occupations that need to end. It's about time that we stop expecting workers to pay for this recession. Unions fought for and won the right to strike during the Great Depression. More unions and workers should take advantage of that right - this country would be much better off.
John, I work for a nonprofit. And the amount I pay towards my premium is increasing. But I'm not going on strike because I have a commitment to the people I serve.
There is a long history of people defending their jobs, their benefits, their pay, their everything by going on strike. There already is way too much inequality in this country. For someone who claims to be "pro-labor" you should be more sympathetic.
It's incredibly difficult to be sympathetic with TWU on this particular strike when my clients have to scramble for options on how to get to and from critical clinical appointments and counseling. It's incredibly difficult when their kids don't have a safe walk to school and have just another excuse to skip out on class.
SEPTA...every four-to-five years they either threaten to go on strike or DO go on strike. The TWU come off, in this case, as nothing but complainers! You don't want to pay more for heathcare? TOO BAD. We're ALL paying more for heathcare. You say you're not getting a raise (or a raise more than 3%) this year? TOO BAD! Hardly anyone is getting raises. You should be glad you still have a job. There are people who don't have jobs. And the ones who do? Guess what's going to happen when SEPTA goes on strike and some of them don't have a way to get to work for days/weeks? They're going to be out of work. Stop complaining every four or five years and use some common sense. The economy is lousy...and the TWU doesn't deserve special treatment. Learn to live like the rest of us.
I'm pro-labor - but only pro-labor in the name of responsible organizing. This is not responsible. While there are transgressions on both sides of the debate - ultimately, a strike of these proportions is crippling and selfish. Philadelphians young and old, rich and poor depend on public transportation. Many, including myself, use it because we cannot afford a car, or simply don't need it. Parents will struggle to get their children to school, and for many Philadelphians, getting their children to school is a difficult task with or without SEPTA. We don't need to add to the laundry list of social and economic barriers that already work against city youth. Employees will have to miss work or face stern warnings for showing up late because they had to walk or loiter for two hours in traffic. I have no sympathy for the lot of TWU. And we wonder why Philly is so mercilessly ripped apart by New Yorkers as "second rate". The behavior of this union certainly is.
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Received a flurry of texts/tweets/fb messages last night informing me that our dear newspaper had a cameo in last night's episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
I get all my Sunny on Hulu these days, so I've got a seven-day wait for the full episode featuring Carolyn Huckabay's May 28 cover on the lovely and talented T. Desiree Hines. Molly Eichel has the deets over on Critical Mass.
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At 12:01 a.m., the Transport Workers Union Local 234's 5,100 members may go on strike, rendering the city's public transportation system inactive — and what do you know, just in time for the World Series, the Saturday Flyers game, the Spectrum's last concert, Halloween, and the Eagles vs. Giants contest. This, the TWU would have you know, is purely coincidental. The union insists, and we totally believe them, that they're negotiating in good faith, and not merely using the potential calamity that such a shutdown would surely cause this weekend as leverage to force their SEPTA overlords to accede to their demands.
The TWU is seeking 4 percent raises each of the next four years, a freeze on employee's health contributions at 1 percent (!), and an increase in pension benefits. SEPTA, which has seen ridership revenue decline about 5 percent since its peak last year, wants a wage freeze for two years followed by a 2 percent increase in the two years that follow, an increase in employee health contributions from 1 percent to 4 percent, and a freeze on pension benefits. Judge for yourself who's being more reasonable.
Who blinks first? Will SEPTA call the union's bluff? Is the union in fact bluffing? (Or, to put it another way, are SEPTA workers willing to endure the wrath of a very pissed-off city if they pull this kamikaze stunt now?)
We'll find out, in the next 13 hours and 25 minutes. Your countdown is on.
[...] Appetite for Destruction: Countdown to the Great SEPTA Strike â09 (Philadelphia CityPaper) [...]
I don't cuss I present myself as a respectable young lady I'm 18 and i'm in high school my senior year but I think SEPTA is being real fucking greedy and selfish think about all those kids that can't go to school because them that is a damn shame i mean how much more money do the fuck ya'll want and do ya'll not understand that the economy is fucked up and yet and still ya'll want extra shit what kind of workers are ya'll i understand about the health care stuff but half of ya'll don't even go to the damn doctor seriously SEPTA needs to get over themselves for real or quit its because of them i can't even see my family on my b-bay which is today cause they so selfish dumb asses suppose your kids was catching SEPTA and then they couldn't get to school so fucking selfish
Septa is lead by blind greed,you worked to get people to the series and once that was done you screwed the working people who support you the rest of the year, anyone would love to have your jobs with the pay package you have your lucky there is no other company to fill your spots because everyone of you deserve to be fired and replaced.I will be buying a car tomorrow and will never again step foot or support your sorry ass.FUCK SEPTA AND ITS UNION I HOPE THE CITY BREAKS YOUR SORRY ,GREEDY,LAZY ASSES
sometimes walking isnt an option since i have to take 3 buses to get to work and now i cant even go. theres no way for me to get there and i still go even though i dont get healthcare. im just thankful i have something and with every job you have to deal with stupid people. everyones life is in danger with crazy people out there not just septa drivers. what about the people taking the bus alone? you now how many times ive been bothered? once again this city fucked me over again. i fukin hope philadelphia burns. fuck septa. its ur job get the fuck over it. i dont even care anymore. its hard enough to find a job and now i might not even be able to keep it because of this stupid strike. this is the only fuckin city where strikes are allowed. if septa can go on strike why cant anyone else. shit i dont get paid enough, i dont get benefits. boo fuckin hoo.
Workers want more when septa is making less. Ignorant? yes. The last thing left on the table was 'workers being able to pick the equipment they worked on by seniority'. So the longer you work there the less work you have to do. Lazy. It's ridiculous that they went on strike over this pathetic sticking point. Although, honestly, it's just as ridiculous that SEPTA didn't just accept it since it doesn't cost any money to implement. You also have picketers blocking buses not even in their union as well as parking in the middle of intersections to block traffic. I understand the want for a contract. Aside from all the demands they list, they need a contract so that they cannot be easily dismissed if any misconduct of theirs is brought to SEPTA's attention.(which is frequent) Why should anyone struggling to survive in this horrible economy sympathize in any way with these people ignoring our REAL plight as they play the victim out of pure greed?
Having labor unions is like having a municipal police department: sure, there is corruption. But you don't close the whole thing down because of some corrupt members. Imagine if we woke up tomorrow morning and were told that the city just let go the entire Phila police department because a few officers were found to be corrupt, so "who needs cops anyway? Protect yourself!" Now, I don't have a permit for a gun, and there is no way in hell I would leave Mayfair if there were no cops in the city and I had no gun - would you? But many people don't see that unions are the same way - without unions, my employer had its most profitable year ever in 2006 and then had the nerve to look me & some of my low paid co-workers in the face and say, sorry, you're getting an 8% pay cut because the money is just not there. (All of us had excellent performance reviews, the issue was not us personally) THAT's what is going to happen to the entire American middle class without labor unions. Anyway, as far as the transport union and the SEPTA issue, I still think the union was wrong to go on strike. But it doesn't mean we don't need unions!
I am pro-union and very much agree with Mike West that most workers in this country would do better if we had unions - non-corupt, honest, responsible unions. Unfortunately, I have looked over Septa's offer to the union and in this case, I am against the union's decision to reject the offer and go on strike. When the rest of the economy picks up, then the Transport Union would understandably want to draft a contract where they get 4% raises a year, etc., but right now, it is unrealistic. Also, there is something REALLY wrong with a system where people get fired because they can't get to work because of a SEPTA strike. I don't think employers should hold it against their workers if they miss work for a day or two until they find alternate transportation. I also think that the city should have an alternate transportation provider for people who are put out by septa strikes. In all, the Transport Union is not doing the public image of Unions any good right now, making unions look unrealistic and greedy, much like many of the UAW workers on fat pensions while their employers were unprofitable. I just hope people like Peggy realize and remember that without the Unions, we'd all be working 7 days a week in hazardous conditions at maybe $1.00 an hour or so (there would be no minimum wage). We need GOOD Unions in this country - worldwide, in fact, now that the US economy is tied up internationally.
it's greed. bottom line. septa thinks that they deserve so much more...the reality is that NO ONE is really making what they deserve...there are people who would KILL to have a job right now...and the only thing they can think of is their own selves...mike west speaks of their victory...but he doesn't acknowledge the defeat that many people are suffering...what septa fails to realize is that as much as they hate the riders of septa...without us they'd have no jobs.
The TWU 234 really upsets me. In this economy they should be glad that they have good jobs, period. The rest of the people in the Philadelphia area are working hard to make ends meet and the union has the balls to turn down a very generous offer. Situations like this one, when unions take advantage of their employers, make me sick. There are plenty of hard working people in Philadelphia that would love to have their jobs so I wish Septa would tell the union to go to hell. If Septa agrees to the union's terms it will be costly to us, in taxes or increased fares.
glad everybody here doesn't care about septa workers who support a family of at least 4 on 52000 a year. hopefully i'll get to eat dinner soon. seriously people? think about EVERYONE affected by the strike.. not just your own selfish ass.
@mike west - so you're all gung ho for the "victory" of SEPTA, but now what about the defeat for those of us who can't get to work to feed our families? hope you think your cause is noble and worth it.
If they had a pair they would have called the strike over the weekend. The cowards wait until the national media is away, as the union would have been called bad names on the national networks. Cowards.
I'm not in the union, Peggy. Just worked hard all my life and been around the block a few times. You sound like someone who could use a union job real bad. So I hope TWU wins, now they've grown a pair. Because you would be helped by their victory, as would tens of thousands of others in a similar situation.
I wouldn't mind paying hire fairs, hire taxes, etc. IF the Septa workers actually did their jobs like normal people do when they make $13 an hour! Seriously, my bus comes 15-20 minutes LATE almost daily, speeds down the road and almost hit me a few times, driver doesn't even make eye contact with me and is hostile towards me even though I say 'good morning' everytime I see her. So yeah, I have a problem if you can't do your job well you don't deserve more money. That doesn't mean I think Septa managers should make more. Here is a comprimise, how about the manageres take paycuts and the Union works stay 'status quo' for two years? Oh and to Tony who said "SO DEPEND ON YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE AND STOP ALWAYS REYING ON SOMEONE OR SOME ENTITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOU AND YOUR NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!" Ummmmm, you understand the point of the strike don't you? It's to ask SOMEONE or SOME ENTITY to TAKE CARE OF YOU BETTER and YOUR NEEDS BETTER. Hi Kettle, Hi Kettle...YOUR BLACK!!!
To Mike West $15 is more then the average hourly rate in the United States it's double minimum wage. in reality though it's more like making 20 an hour since you only pay 1% for healthcare, which most only make 10 since they have to pay at least 30% towards their healthcare. I work 60 hours a week I make $10 an hour. I pay 25% of that on crappy healthcare. I get no pension, no paid days off, no vacation days unless unpaid. I don't get to sit on my ass all day and collect money and drive around. I have to do a lot of heavy stinky lifting ALL DAY! I make a living, try that for once.
To Mike...if we were all in a union this would be nazi america! Think about that now!
Again to Mike West, what the fuck makes YOU think that everyone should be able to afford a 'real life'? What makes YOU think YOU deserve to live a real life? Seriously, some of us are GOOD people that work hard all day and don't have enough to life a real life, you sit on your ass all day, drive around and collect money...err, you don't collect money you tell people where to STICK IT all day, and you think you deserve more?!? Get off your fucking high horse and eat some shit for awhile and see how much you love that $15 an hour! Seriously, cause I know you are at the welfare office this morning pulling TANF and FS to support your ass since you decided to strike. I'm going to lose my job because of the septa union...I think it's about time WE PHILADELPHIANS stand up to this extortion and put an end to the TWU UNION!!!
i have no sympathy for the septa operators. due to their greed and feeling the need to strike they will cause hundreds to lose their jobs. i lost my job the last strike they had. employers do not care about our transportation issues...therefore i can't use the excuse septa went on strike. septa should feel fortunate that in this economy they are even making as much as they do. i hope that lots of people spit in their faces when services returns. half the time septa employees have horrible customer service and act as a ghetto as the passengers-and that's white and black operators alike! arrrrgh!
THE UNION HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE, ITS TIME HAS PASSED,ALL THEY DO IS PROTECT PEOPLE WHO CANT KEEP THEIR JOBS ON THERE OWN PERFORMANCE. BOO FUCKING WHO,BRING IN SOME OTHER COMPANY AND LETS SEE WHAT YOUR WILLING TO GIVE UP INSTEAD OF TAKE TO KEEP YOUR JOBS THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD DO A BETTER JOB FOR LESS YOU GREEDY FUCKS
Where else do you get paid to sit on your ass and take a look all token booths for septa are manned by septa workers who have med problems thats right at any time there are over 385 workers who cant do the job they were hired to do so they move them to another chair . THE DAYS OF THE UNION ARE GONE,JUST LOOK AT THE AUTO INDUSTRY 35$HR TO PUT A TIRE ON.ALL THE UNIONS DOES IS PROTECT LAZY FAT BASTARDS SO FUCK SEPTA,FUCK UNIONS.BRING IN SOME OTHER COMPANY AND LETS SEE WHAT SEPTA ASK FOR.
Man, Reagan has won everyone over. For the past 30 years we've seen the middle class erode because of management like Septa busting unions, lowering salaries, and not requiring them to provide benefits. Maybe instead of trying to tear down a union, and as a result make it worse for every middle/lower class citizen, you should support them and lift up the middle class.
shoot all of the SEPTIC workers..
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breathtaking anger from people blind to their own interests. if twu really does strike, it would be a fight for all working people and a breath of fresh air. you are upset because they only pay 1 percent for health care? real health care should be FREE, cradle to grave. you think $15/hour is a living wage?? everyone, everyone should be paid many times that to be able to afford to have areal life. think we're "all in this together" with Nutter, Rendell, Obama, the Clintons, the Bushes?? With Goldman Sachs? yes, wake the fuck up
IF EVERYONE WAS IN A UNION AMERICA WOULD BE GREAT LIKE IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY EVERYONE WAS MAKING MONEY, HEALTH CARE. NOW ITS ALL ABOUT THE CEO'S AND HOW FUCKED UP THEY ARE TAKING PAY RAISES WHEN THE COMPANY THEY ARE RUNNING FAILS.... ITS TIME TO STAND UP AMERICA... OR KEEP GETTING SHIT ON AS A WORKER. WE ALL GO TO WORK TO MAKE MONEY WE DONT GO TO WORK TO PAY THEM TO DO THE JOB THEY WANT US TO DO.... WAKE THE FUCK UP
TEAMSTERS TEAMSTERS TEAMSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!UNIONS UNIONS UNIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THAT IS WHAT IS KEEPING THE AMERICAN DREAM ALIVE......IF NOT WE ALL WILL BE LIKE MEXICANS WORKING FOR $3.oo AN HR........
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all you trash talkers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in america now it seems that working americans are in a war with companies because CEO's keep getting million $ raises while the worker gets shit on..... no matter if the companies do well or not they still get paid... any union that has been working with out a contract should go on strike.. fare pay for all working people..... if you are not in a UNION you should think about getting in ONE..... AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO WANNA SEE A GOVERMENT HEALTH CARE PLAN. YOU BETTER THING AGAIN THEY CANT EVEN RUN THE POST OFFICE YOU WANT THEM TAKING CARE OF YOUR HEALTH????????????
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On behalf of the workers who rely on SEPTA every day for thier jobs, I implore BOTH the TWU and SEPTA mgmt to find another way to deal with the issues they face rather than put those jobs hostage. As for me: I can't afford a car now but trust me, in the coming year I am going to find a way to get one and never NEVER look back. I am tired to being held hostage by SEPTA every few years. How would you feel if a utility company went on strike and you didn't have anyone to fix the power lines when they go down? Show some damn compassion for those that depend on you and wake up. Times are tough, EVERYONE has it hard. Healthcare costs are higher all around. No one likes the added burden but we ALL have to pay it.
they make $52k/year for a monkey's job... and they want to strike? when fire departments and libraries are being closed, the unemployment rate's high, and earnings are low? it's asinine strong-arming.
Bicycle revolution.
Its crazy how people of septa are actually leaving comments on here. You should all be fired on the spot. Yes your job is dangerous at times but whos job isnt nowadays. How much should the pizza delivery guy make by going door to door to strangers homes in uncomfortable surroundings, wake up and think of others. My mom worked long in hard in the nursing field maybe even took care of you and or your fam but everytime she goes to the hospital she pays between 30 and 50 dollars a visit and she has saved many lives , should she bitch moan and complain yall are selfish bastards, im just thankful my son just started going to school in the area so he can walk .Im happy we dont depend on yall stupid fucks
This is all a bunch of crap. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but the real people who are hurting here is the low class common folk of this city. The people out there trying to provide for a family on minimum wage jobs, and have to travel halfway across the city to go to work. I am a father of two and work a retail job, which I travel on two septa buses and takes me nearly an hour to get to work. Some smart A** on here will tell me to walk. If it takes almost an hour by bus, how long of a walk do you think that takes? I find it funny that people want to defend the workers/union who want to strike. Neither side are willing to bend in the negotiations, and that is what is really sad. They already have almost all of their health insurance covered, and make great money. A few thousand people in Philly would be ecstatic to be making what these Septa workers are making. The bottom line is, the people who are going to be hurting the most are the people who are forced to rely on Septa to get them back and forth to work on a daily basis. Sorry if I don't feel sad that the septa workers won't get paid while they are on strike. No one really seems worried about the people who depend on Septa to get them to and from work. How many people will have their jobs and financial welfare placed in jeopardy by this strike? Bet some of you didn't think about that. Now as far as all the b.s. about the inconvience about the World Series and other sport events. Sorry to agree with Septa/TWA, but it doesn't matter about those events. You don't need Septa to get to the games. If you can afford a five hundred dollar ticket to the world series, you can afford a fifty dollar cab ride to the stadium. Be realistic. Trust me, the people who have tickets to the games, even the Eagles fans, will find a way to get to the stadium. The only thing any of us can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
"But we only are getting $75/month in pension for every year we work⦠you cant live on that, give me a break⦠all i want is a fair wage and decent pension and healthcareâ¦" YOU HAVE HEALTHCARE. you have healthcare that you pay 1% for! I cannot see how that is at all not having health care. And as far as a pension, give me a break. Who even gets a pension anymore? Any job I've had expects me to save my own money to retired with. I'd say 90% of jobs now don't pay you after you retire. While it may be the fair thing to do, you have to look at the reality. Jobs just don't offer pensions anymore, you are lucky to get anything.
If u really want 2 do something bout tha stirke, hears what everybdy should do. Septa is a business, if we don't like how they do business, DON'T SUPPORT THEM!!! Ride a bike, skateboard, taxi, walk,but eveybdy has other options no matter how inconvient they are, we do have them. If they strike, dont use their services when they return if ur that angry, aint no half stepping ,you got beef now, you still got beef when da strike over right? Because if you support them after its over your complaining 4 nothing. Stop bitchin and do somthing bout it cuz I AM!!! The money I spend on septa will go to another form of transportation 4 my 4 kids, wife, and myself, who ALL WONT BE USING SEPTA EVER AGAIN!!!
I have relied on SEPTA to get to work most of my adult life. Time are hard and I take SEPTA because it is far cheaper than owning/maintaining a car. I live in Phila and work in Bensalem. While I understand that SEPTA workers have been without a contract since March, a strike that would paralyse almost a million riders can and should be avoided at all costs. Times are hard and for very many, SEPTA is the only way to both work, school, and medical care. You should have found another way to resolve this than disrupting the jobs and lives of about a million people. People will lose jobs if you strike. Business will lose workers. I understand that it's not easy to work for SEPTA but jobs are scarce and folks are scared. For the sake of those who depend on you THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DO THIS. For myself, I'll be biking to work if I can. It will be dangerous but I have no other choice. P.S. Where I work our new health care that starts next year is a large drop from where we are now. Our co-pays are higher and the coverage lower in quality. We are taking it not because we want to but because we have to. Look around you and smell what you are shovelling.
I'm usually in favor of people striking to get what they feel is due, but not this time. With the World Series, they could have waited a few days until it was done. SEPTA workers stand to lose more than they will gain, because I do not believe that they will get the demands that they are asking for, even if they strike and cripple the city. We are in an economic crisis. Over 10% unemployment plus they were planning to close all the public libraries just a few weeks ago due to lack of money. All of those people would have been out of jobs had money not come from the state. The money isn't there in this economy and even if they strike I doubt they will get what they are asking.
As you can read here we SEPTA operators deal with more trash and ignorant,broke,unwilling to work,GOVERNMENT DEFRAUDING people than any other job.None of you PHILA. IDIOTS ARE AFRAID TO DO YOUR JOB AS WE ARE.WE GET BEATEN,STABBED,SHOT,SPIT ON,CURSED, ETC. BECAUSE WE REQUEST A FARE FROM THESE FUCKING INMATES.We are not dealing with SENSIBLE,REASONABLE,DECENT HUMAN BEINGS,THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUM,THE DREGGS OF SOCIETY,THEY RUIN BUS SERVICE FOR DECENT FOLK.WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BEGGARS AND DRUG ADDICTS ALL FUCKING DAY.THE BUSES ARE CROWDED WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AT 12:00 IN THE AFTERNOON,THESE BUMS SHOULD BE WORKING AND NOT SITTING ON A BUS GOING BACK AND FOURTH ALL DAY.GET A JOB FOR GODS SAKE,CARRY YOUR OWN WEIGHT.
We also deal with SEPTA,a terrible company to work for,they literally hate their employees.They constantly find new ways to dicipline all of us.They write you up for enforcing their policies.IN FACT THE ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER OF CUSTOMER SERVICE TOLD ME PERSONALLY THAT HE DOES NOT WANT THE RULES POSTED ON THE BUSES BECAUSE THEY CAUASE TOO MANY COMPLAINTS.SO YOU SEE HE WANTS TOTAL ANARCHY ON THE BUS.
WE SHOULD HAVE FREE HEALTHCARE DUE TO THE POSITION.POLICE OFFICERS TELL US THEY WOULD NOT DO OUR JOB BECAUSE WE CANNOT CARRY A GUN,THAT'S HOW DANGEROUS A JOB WE HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LET'S NOT MENTION ALL THOSE YOUNG GIRLS GETTING ON THE BUSES WITH HUGE STROLLERS AND A BUNCH OF SCREAMING,CRYING,WELFARE BASTARDS.
As for the rest of you lazy bastards start fucking WALKING SOMETIME,PEOPLE WON'T WALK ONE OR TWO BLOCKS ANYMORE THANKS TO THE TRANSPASS/SENOIR CITIZEN CARD.YES THE SENOIRS NEED TO WALK TOO,IT'S BETTER FOR THEM.PHILADELPHIANS ARE SO DAMN LAZY,THEY'RE DISGUSTING.THIS IS WHY AMERICANS ARE FAT FUCKS.SO DEPEND ON YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE AND STOP ALWAYS REYING ON SOMEONE OR SOME ENTITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOU AND YOUR NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!AS FOR THE JOB YOU CAN HAVE IT IF YOU WANT IT BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BY THE WAY WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE PHILLIES,OR THEIR STUPID FANS THAT SPEND A FORTUNE TO SEE A STUPID BASEBALL GAME.BOOOOO WHOOOOOOO FOR THE MILLIONAIRES.WE ARE IN A STRUGGLE AGAINST SEPTA FOR OUR CAREERS,20 OR 30 YEARS.WE MUST GET TREATED FAIRLY.SO ALL OF YOU GO TO HELL .i kinda understand the septa bus drivers plight a little bit...they work long hours dealing with hostility on a daily and hourly basis...i work for rent a center and pretty much deal with the same shit but all at the same time striking would pretty much ensure that i lost my job completely (rent a center states that in your first 90 days you cannot call out u can only use the days u have off etc.) but i mean what theyre doing to the tax payers is ridiculousi mean you want a pay raise...but really septa isnt all that reliable...some routes are never on time buses are 9 times outta 10 dirty so tax payers really are paying for "shitty" service...and addressing the person who stated to "buy a car" this is a recession the price of living is at a all time high...so buyin a car is out of the question
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You would strike too if you saw your job being subcontracted out. Gave up cost of living twenty years ago in exchanged for unwritten agreement that we have health care taken care of. Also gave fully paid sick days (no pay first three days you are sick and then only about 50% starting on day four so you have to be really sick to lose three days pay). How many people can afford only 50% salary if you have a major illness or operation. Would you like to give up your earned seniority? By the way, I am skilled trade, not just someone they can hire off the street. I had to pay for higher two year technical degree to get my skills. I'm worth the money.
If Septa goes on strike, fire them, and hire people who actually want to work. Send me an application, I'll happily fill it out and not complain about having a job in these hard times.
these septa drivers need to stop fuckin bitchin. you people strike any chance you get. you dont work that hard at all. Alot of us have shitty ass jobs and make shit money to do way more then you do. You people sit in a fucking seat and drive all day. what fucking skill!!! congratulations.... I went to college and have a degree and make about a little bit more then you do an hour. You want us to feel sorry for you, why? you people always want raises and always wanna strike. Your nothing but "glorified cab drivers". Get a real job that takes lots of training and real skill then maybe you can strike every year about pay.
to the realistc one. why should septa employee's make more then public school teachers? $13 an hour is not bad, I've had jobs for $8 an hour. They threaten to go on strike every 3 years, You probably don't depend on septa to get everywhere like I do. There should not be a Septa union. Public transportation is to important to so many in this city. You have no clue.
I worked as a SEPTA bus driver for 16 years until I became disabled. SEPTA hung me out to dry. TWU workers are fighting for their lives. You try doing their jobs if you think it's so easy. You have to deal with you asshole riders who think you should get everything for free. A 4% raise each year adds up to about 50 cents an hour. Even I working as a Wal-Mart associate get that each year and don't have to put up with all the bullshit that goes along with it. No one wants a strike but you have to do what you have to do in these economic times.
But we only are getting $75/month in pension for every year we work... you cant live on that, give me a break... all i want is a fair wage and decent pension and healthcare... you guys are so greedy, probably work on wall street
For everyone who wants to drive for SEPTA, go ahead and apply for a job and see how long you last. BTW, you can't drive a bus without a CDL license. They don't pay a lot for health care, but they also don't get paid for sick days until they are out for three, then only get partial pay. Did you also know that the Authority doesn't want to give them an increase for the first 2 years, but wants to increase the employees contributions towards their benefits which means they will actually get a pay decrease. The employees also recently have been told they are required to buy a newly designed uniform which will cost plenty of $$ out of their pockets that SEPTA is already attempting to pick with the increase to benefit contribution. Do you really want to drive a bus and deal directly with the public hacking and sneezing all over you and giving you shit, when after you get sick from all that, you can't even get paid for your sick time when the job caused your illness?? SEPTA has the $$, ridership is up. Did you ever consider the fact that maybe management is too top heavy??
Johnathan michah, you seem disgruntled and full of hate because of where you career is. If your not happy with your situation change it, but no need to hate on us. And as far as you saying get a real job, you don't have a clue to what we do or go through so eat a dick .
What would all of you be doing now if it wasn't for unions.So twu fight
To the SEPTA bus operator: Bad service and bad attitudes are rampant with SEPTA. Get real, most people pay between 10% and 25% of their health care costs. The city is struggling. I'm sorry but I'd rather keep some rec centers and libraries open at the moment. In the end, the public will pay for this in higher taxes and higher fares.
I had to reply again because of the comment about. If all of us "Broke B*st*rds" bought a car, then Septa workers would be out of a job and would be outraged at this whole thing as well. I wish the workers threatening to strike a good day.
"put your self in our position" There are thousands in this city, millions in this country, who would LOVE to be in your position, with health care and a job. It is not difficult to work something out, without striking. You have the city by the balls, and you will use it to your advantage, no matter who you hurt along the way. You guys have no idea how good you have it.
Ok, Let's be serious here. First of all - Septa monopolizes on the entire transportation system. They make a lot of money, because they are the ONLY ones who provide transportation for the entire city. If there were more than one transportation company, this wouldn't happen. Septa and the city of Philadelphia are NOT one and the same. Secondly - Septa drivers have to strike whether they like it or not. The union makes the choice, but most of the workers are not happy with a strike. Why? Well for one, they don't get paid when they strike. Secondly, they really don't have a choice if they are outvoted. And even if they decide to cross picket lines, 20, 30, or even 100 drivers will not make a difference in all of the routes they need to satisfy. Next - "Fire them all". That's just not realistic. You have to meet certain requirements in order to qualify for the job. Septa has a very strict set of rules and regulations in place, to deal with the public. A very difficult public. Have you ever dealt with the public? more specifically, have you ever dealt with the public who rides public transportation regularly? Not the sweetest group of people by a longshot. I get it, you're mad that Septa employees pay nothing for health insurance, and everyone else pays money. Well, if you want to pay nothing, work for Septa. Or the City of Philadelphia. Or the School District of Philadelphia. Or, well, the list of union employees who pay nothing for health insurance goes on and on. It's a union thing, not a Septa thing - and if it weren't for that union protecting their rights, well, they'd be paying for health insurance just like you and I. I wish someone would have MY back like that! Anyways, Union workers get sh*tty deals left and right. Making $50k a year? Yeah, after 20 years. Puh-lease. Drivers start at $13/hr. And I don't know about you, but that's not alot of money. So they need to get a benefit somewhere. Their schedules are crap, the pay is crap, the management (who, mind you, are overpaid, non-union staff) are downright rude to their staff. I say, strike for what you want. Septa needs to concede and just do what is right.
For public safety and fire hazard reasons, I don't believe a strike through tomorrow night is viable. If Mayor Nutter doesn't get involved, then the Public Safety Commission needs to. If someone gets hurt in an accident that could have been prevented because of drunk driving, all h*ll is going to break loose! Septa workers, is an innocent life being lost worth the extra $10 a paycheck? People attending Pearl Jam, The World Series and The Eagles Game just want to have a good time, RESPONSIBILY, That's why we are planning on taking public transportation! Dunkin Drivers lining the interstate 95 and Broad Street, I don't even want to imagine that! It is absolutely ridiculous for Septa workers to even consider going on strike at a time like this. So many people are unemployed and would do the same job for HALF the pay and NO benefits! TWA will probably strike at midnight, but I guarantee that by late afternoon, a deal (even if it's only a temporary year deal) will be negotiated. At a time the the city is coming together to say goodbye to a landmark and Celebrate our team, leave it to greediness to bring us apart! I am attending the last concert at the Spectrum tomorrow night and am not looking forward to all the headaches even WITH Septa running. The $55 cab ride I may have to pay is ridiculous, but I AM going to have a good-time and I am not going to risk a car wreck.....I sure as heck am not going to let Septa ruin MY night!
I'm all for getting a raise when you deserve it...but these fuckers want more money every 6 months. Do your job and shut your mouth you self righteous egotistical pieces of shit. I HAVE to make work tomorrow and have no other way than SEPTA. If you dicks fuck me over there will be issues when you resume service. Bitches.
I'm a student, and I really just want to go home this weekend because this is the only weekend I've had off work in a long time. The cost of public transit in this city is pricey as it is, without increased benefits and salary and pension. Even though it's expensive so many people depend on septa to get around, If transit prices increase because of this it will honestly begin to break my bank just to be able to get home every now and then. If they don't want to work for the wages/benefits they're receiving, I know tons of college students that would be willing to do the work. How many people are out of jobs right now? And they have the audacity to strike.
Yo union: Strike and put the nail in your own coffin! This will put an end to your extortion.
The City and the TWU Local 234 have to make a deal because I rely on SEPTA to get to work (2) jobs + school. Everybody that rely on SEPTA going to have hardship if they go on strike. The busiest weekend in Philadelphia history. Perfect timing guys. After the next contract all of this will recycle again. This is absolutely crazy. I am just P.O. to the MAX right now.
As far as I'm concerned, let them strike. I missed my chance to buy this year... the more nonsense like this happens, the lower real estate prices will go. Stay Classy, Philadelphia.
IT'S FUNNY HOW PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF BULLSHIT TO SAY ABOUT THE STRIKE BUY A FUCKING CAR BROKE BASTARDS IF U WORKED FOR SEPTA THE STRIKE WOULD BE OKAY WITH U STOP BITCHIN LOOK AT THE SHIT THEY PUT UP WITH PEOPLE LIKE U AND MANY OTHERS
I'm a septa bus operator and I'm offended by some of these entries.I don't want to strike ,but at the same time I don't want to lay down to except what ever they throw at us.I'm sorry for the inconvieniance but put your self in our position and stop the hate.
All this anger whipped up against TWU workers from other people who have to work for a living is really misplaced! What's wrong with fighting for a real living wage and health insurance? Don't YOU want health insurance?? if you want perps in the matter of lousy transit, look to SEPTA management and your mayor and your governor, etc. Hell, look to Washington, which only seems to care about bailing out the banks, Wall Street and the "health" "care" "industry"...
I'M VERY READY FOR THE STRIKE, I WILL WALK FOR 3 MILES TO R3, TAKE R3 TO 30TH STREET, AND TAKE R5 TO PAOLI, I CARE LESS, MY ONLY WORRY IS THE A MOUNT OF MONEY I WILL SPEND IN THE REGIONAL RAIL. BY THE WAY, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN SEPTA AND REGIONAL RAIL
dick moves, septa/twu. when your everybody is clearly hurting for money, you are gonna screw up the one thing that'll bring in some extra cash to your company? fucking morons. your strikes always cause an ridiculous burden on poor people making a hell of a lot less than you; putting their jobs on the line, while yours is safe. but using the phillies to your advantage? go to hell. i hope everyone figures out they can ride a bike and you all lose your jobs. this wouldn't be nearly so infuriating if it wasn't for the stronghold these slobs have on the city.
Fuck that greedy Septa union, they should all be fired! Give the jobs to people who appreciate them! I wish I made 50k a year, and I really wish I had health insurance. They are so greedy, they don't want to pay anything for health insurance, but the rest of us have to. I don't have health insurance. I depend on septa to get everywhere, I don't have a car. Fuck them! How are people supposed to get to work, school, and doctor appointments?
Heaven forbid they have to contribute more than 1% to their OWN HEALTHCARE and get 4% increases in salary PER YEAR but not actually working hard enough to earn it. I work for Blue Cross and have been told that it'll cost over $6000 for health coverage from the COMPANY I WORK FOR. If these greedy pigs want to walk off the job for wages they aren't earning, fire them all and replace them with people who actually want to work. F-ing savages.
Another SEPTA strike? Must be a Friday. How much more crap is this city going to take from SEPTA? Poor service, hostile employees, constant strike threats, expensive fares, bus drivers aiming for pedestrians and bikers, exact change only, etc.
Thi sis the biggest weekend in Philadelphia history...if they strike ...fire them. This would be right up there with the air traffic controller strike and Nutter should just fire everyone and start from scratch.
Filed Under: The City Paper | This Week
On the cover this week, our fave Aid or Invade columnist Rodney Anonymous chronicles all kinds of hilarity in preparation for his Hallow's Eve reunion with The Dead Milkmen.
In Naked City:
- Isiah Thompson tames the Wild West that is Pennsylvania, on a bicycle.
- He also points out the presence of evil in our city AND in his microwave.
- Bruce says: The Reading Terminal Market is Everybodyâs Market, with or without Dr. Phil fans.
In Movies
- Make way for The New Year Parade at the Ritz, with bonus video.
- Sam Adams shudders at the Antichrist protagonistâs immersion in her fears.
In Music
- Hang The DJ compares the coyness of hostility in Miranda Lambert and Marduk.
In Arts
- Deni Kasrel tells us how On Pointe the silly dance company BodyVox really is.
- Mark Cofta waits patiently for the birds to come home at the Wilma Theatre.
In Agenda
- Check out more Halloween events, like Yellow Fever, online.
In Food
- David Snyder on health-conscious Fuel.
- Trey Popp explains why Bala Cynwydâs Avril is Firing Blanks.
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Schimmel's panel mates will be:
- Matt Golas, Managing Editor, PlanPhilly
- Joey Sweeney, Editor & Founder, Philebrity.com and
- Sandra Shea, Editorial Page Editor, Daily News
The discussion will be moderated by WHYY's Executive Director of News and Civic Dialogue Chris Satullo.
The discussion, scheduled or 6-7:30 p.m. at the WHYY Civic Space at 6th and Arch, will attempt to answer such questions as:
- What is the state of the current crisis in Philadelphiaâs news industry?
- Where would you get your local news if the Inquirer and the Daily News ceased to exist?
- How has social media already begun to change the way we receive our "newsâ?
Fittingly, you can RSVP for the event on Facebook.
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